tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post1852041770599962305..comments2023-04-29T10:30:59.798-04:00Comments on Just Crazy Politics!: Water Under the BridgeVradichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00543032910068024858noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-71181548601619233132008-02-11T17:25:00.000-05:002008-02-11T17:25:00.000-05:00I agree with all of your comments, even the part a...I agree with all of your comments, even the part about Limbaugh. I have always found him and most of the talk show conservatives to be too extreme.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the reference to purereligion.net. I checked out the site, and have to say that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe those same principals as well.<BR/><BR/>While we're sharing websites, please check out Mormon.org.<BR/><BR/>And best wishes to your candidate and all of his supporters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-78004376380974631822008-02-08T20:01:00.000-05:002008-02-08T20:01:00.000-05:00I agree at least with the "anonymous" comments th...I agree at least with the "anonymous" comments that we need to put the bickering behind us and be united.<BR/><BR/>(That puts us both of us in disagreement with Rush Limbaugh, whose biggest beef with Mike Huckabee seems to be that he doesn't poke liberals in the eye enough)<BR/><BR/>As to "Obama", however, I hope you meant that as a joke. We need someone who will take us UP using conservative solutions, not someone who will take us down the same type of socialist road to ruin that collapsed the Soviet Union.<BR/><BR/>As to the "faith" question, I really don't want Huckabee for my preacher, I want him for President. While there are things in the Mormon religion I don't agree with, I also disagree with some things Baptists (such as Huckabee) teach.<BR/><BR/>I think it's appropriate that people of different faiths discuss and teach points where they believe other religions are in error. But I think it's important to do so in love, not in hate.<BR/><BR/>After all, if there is a God and he has a way he wants us to follow, (and I certainly believe there is and he has) then I believe we show love for each other by sharing our knowledge in a civil manner, in hopes that we might all find favor with our Creator.<BR/><BR/>(and while on the subject of religion)<BR/>http://www.purereligion.netVradichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00543032910068024858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-11695635608599738042008-02-08T19:37:00.000-05:002008-02-08T19:37:00.000-05:00I feel like I need to clear something up regarding...I feel like I need to clear something up regarding the 'Satan as Jesus's brother' argument. I too referenced that same Sunday school lesson that Carrie did. <BR/><BR/>Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe that we are all spritual children of our Heavenly Father. We had agency even before we came to earth. Before any of us came to earth, there was a council in heaven where Satan and his followers put forth their argument that he (Satan) should be the ruler over all of us. For this, Satan was cast out from heaven and became the spirit we know as the devil. (please reference Isaiah 14:12-13 and Luke 10:18). The rest of the spirits include all of us who chose to follow Jesus's plan and come to earth and gain a physical body. <BR/><BR/>We believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of our Heavenly Father. Not Satan, nor any of us. However, we all are spiritual children of the Father. So, I suppose, that in the broad sense that Jesus is our brother, I guess you could say that Satan is His brother as well. This is a very obscure point, and not ever even mentioned in Mormon meetings or teachings. That is why Huckabee's comments struck so many Mormons as so strange.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, me and my Mormon friends have a hard time believing that Huckabee's question was innocent. I think this is mostly due to the fact that he came to Salt Lake City in 1998 as part of a Southern Baptist anti-mormon mission, and preached against the Mormons. This leaves the impression that he knows more about us than he let on in that interview. Is it possible that he knew enough to slickly ask that question, especially when he knew it would incite so much anti-mormon rhetoric? <BR/><BR/>Maybe the reason why Mormons are so skeptical of him is that almost all of the anti-mormon literature that exists is written by evangelicals. Most of it is a distortion, or inaccurate representation of the truth. So can you understand why Mormons would have a hard time supporting someone whom they feel can't respect them because of their beliefs? Are we supposed to vote for him and then go on living with anti-mormon sentiment? Don't we want a president who doesn't alienate any group of people soley based on their religious beliefs? <BR/><BR/>Let me say that I have a great deal of respect for Huckabee as I do for all evangelicals. I lived in the South for 3 years and loved the associations I had with the evangelicals there. We actually have more in common than most would think. Especially the desire to be Christ-like.<BR/><BR/>I really hope that we can get past all of this bigotry talk. It is hurtful to both relgions. I hate reading the slander coming from both sides on the blogs. I just wish there could be more understanding and more civility, and therefore, I will try to give Huckabee the benefit of the doubt regarding his statement. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure Mitt Romney would be the first to admit that he isn't perfect either, and probably regrets a lot of the attack ads by his campaign.<BR/><BR/>When it comes down to it, people just need to vote for whom they feel in their heart is the best candidate. Personally, I will be looking for someone whom I feel can unite this country, and get past all of the divisions among various groups. Maybe Obama?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-24814159830920025342008-02-08T16:59:00.000-05:002008-02-08T16:59:00.000-05:00I came across this sunday school lesson put out by...I came across this <A HREF="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=32c41b08f338c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=8b4a7befabc20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1&contentLocale=0" REL="nofollow">sunday school lesson</A> put out by the Church of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormon Church). After having read through it, it seems to me that there's a clear reference to Jesus as being a brother to Lucifer (aka Satan). This is not an attack. This is an observation. Asking the question, "do Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers?" is a completely reasonable question, especially after reading this. How is asking that question an attack? <BR/><BR/>My impression is that the idea of Jesus and Lucifer being brothers goes against common knowledge about Jesus and the Devil. Therefore instead of researching to find out what the Mormon doctrine teaches, people automatically assume it is not part of the Mormon doctrine and therefore is a lie. But what if it is part of the Mormon doctrine? If it's true, would it still be considered an "attack" on the Mormon faith or a person's beliefs? No, instead it would just be pointing out one of the points of doctrine in the Mormon faith. <BR/><BR/>All that aside, Huckabee has been very clear about not seeking to exploit his faith or anyone else's for that matter, so it is a moot point.<BR/><BR/>One other thing on this point of contention between some Romney-supporters and Huckabee...look at who is distorting this exchange between Huckabee and the interviewer. The Media. They are the same people who tried to incite contention at the debates...asking questions, trying to bait the candidates to attack one another. Time and time again, Huckabee would not "go there". The media is intentionally trying to cause dissension within the party. So, people need to redirect their anger. <BR/><BR/>The media needs to just do their job: report the news and LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-84274551796877458582008-02-08T15:32:00.000-05:002008-02-08T15:32:00.000-05:00As to the "anonymous" assertion that Romney's ads ...As to the "anonymous" assertion that Romney's ads against Huckabee "were based on issues only"; I'm afraid that since they included false facts, I'd still have to put them in the category of attack ads.<BR/><BR/>Now whether Romney himself knew the claims in his ads were false, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.<BR/><BR/>In the same way, I hope you would give Huckabee the benefit of the doubt concerning his question about Satan and Jesus being considered brothers in Mormon doctrine.<BR/><BR/>That initially bothered me too, but I immediately checked it, and true or not, I found a widespread discussion of this as a Mormon belief WELL BEFORE HUCKABEE asked about it.<BR/><BR/>I also checked and found out he really was asking a question and not making a statement. It seems the reporter who was interviewing him knew a lot more about the Mormon religion than Huckabee, and Mike was curious, having heard that brought up before.<BR/><BR/>I strongly urge Romney supporters to check the facts on Huckabee's history against the Romney campaigns assertions (especially on fiscal issues), before denying they were "attack ads".Vradichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00543032910068024858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-65279411473161796212008-02-08T13:28:00.000-05:002008-02-08T13:28:00.000-05:00I am so amazed by your article. The negative ads ...I am so amazed by your article. The negative ads that Romney ran against Huckabee in Iowa were based on the issues only. They were negative only in explaining differences the two candidates have in the issues. <BR/><BR/>Mike Hucakbee, in my opinion, attacked Romney the person when he said that Mormons believe that Satan is Jesus's brother. Those were not the only Mormon views that he distorted. I am also aware that he went to Salt Lake City in 1998 to preach against the Mormons. <BR/><BR/>Romney, on the other hand, never once made any negative comments about Huckabee personally, especially not about his faith. <BR/><BR/>When it comes to dirty politics, I think what Huckabee did was far worse. Yet he likes to take the "holier than thou" position by complaining that Romney started it. So is Huckabee saying that his attacks against Romeny were for revenge? <BR/><BR/>I personally believe that Huckabee would make a great president for Southern Evangelicals. However, I fear that he and his supporters have alienated some others not of his religion (Mormons, Jews, catholics). <BR/><BR/>Your article talks about "water under the bridge" in an attempt to unite all conservatives. I too, would love to see this happen, but I'm afraid the more accurate phrase to use is "burned bridges". In this tough primary, it appears that is what has been done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-42351069968811781092008-02-08T11:48:00.000-05:002008-02-08T11:48:00.000-05:00Lucca,I'd like to know what you think Huckabee did...Lucca,<BR/>I'd like to know what you think Huckabee did that you "will never forget". <BR/><BR/>The thing I've heard some Romney supporters objecting to is just that Mike stayed in the race instead of backing out and supporting Romney.<BR/><BR/>I've also heard false anti-Mormon accusations. Those are totally untrue. Check what Huckabee said himself, and you'll see he never made that an issue.<BR/><BR/>If there are any trying to elect Huckabee as some kind of national pastor, it's a tiny minority smaller than the number of people actually voting for Ron Paul.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your feelings at having your candidate suspend his campaign. I tried to avoid blaming Mitt in my article, but I wonder if you've been influenced by exactly the type of untruths I'm trying to view as water under the bridge.Vradichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00543032910068024858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912401993368177130.post-69907898734347341212008-02-08T07:51:00.000-05:002008-02-08T07:51:00.000-05:00I will never forget what Huck has do in his attemp...I will never forget what Huck has do in his attempt to get the nomaination. If his actions are the reflections of what makes a good Christian then maybe it's time I look for a new faith.<BR/><BR/>The 'Huckster' wiil always be Greg Stillson to me.Lucca Brazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944046597538282828noreply@blogger.com